Wednesday, June 2, 2010
Interaction with SarsanghChalak Param Pujaneeya Sri Mohanji Bhagawa
Q.: When you became the Sar Sangha Chalak you visited Dhiksha Bhumi.
A.: It is only natural thing. Dr. Ambedkar had visited RSS camp and had
appreciated the absence of even trace of caste feelings among Swayam
Sevaks. When Dr. Ambedkar converted to Buddhism Guruji remembered what
Swami Vivekananda said about the nation needing the intellectual acumen
of Sankara and the compassionate heart of Buddha. And it was an RSS man
Dattopant Thengadi (the founder of Sangh workers' union BMS) who was the
election agent of Baba Saheb Ambedkar.
Q.: But there are people who see Ambedkar as enemy of Hinduism.
A.: See.Dr. Ambedkar knew the good intentions of Sangh Hindus. But he
also knew that at that time Hindus at large had not had change of heart
with respect to Dalits. He knew that though Sangh wanted and would
eventually achieve a Hindu society free of casteism, Sangh at that time,
had neither the strength nor the authority to bring that change at once.
He thought Dalits should not endure injustice till such a change would
eventually come. So he converted. But he converted to Buddhism which is
rooted in the Indian soil and which he considered as an inalienable part
of Hindu culture. He also wanted to make sure that the depressed
sections of the society were not lured away by failed alien ideologies
like Marxism. In fact Ambedkar told Dattopant Thengadiji that he stands
as the bulwark between Dalits and Marxism just as Guruji stands as
bulwark between Marxism and non-Dalits. (Of course we consider Guruji
not as representing any sectarian section of Hindu society but his heart
and vision encompassed entire Hindu society including Dalits and
Q.: India Today reported that you eulogize Gandhiji in your addresses.
A.: Oh.That should not be a surprise. Surely I did not discover Gandhiji
in Sangh. Guruji has a whole lecture praising Mahatma. And the name of
Mahatma Gandhi has entered the morning prayer of RSS long before I even
became Prantha Pracharak. Gandhian vision of village development,
Swadeshi, cow protection etc is harmonious with Sangh vision and
mission. So if anyone is surprised because I mentioned Mahatma that
surprise shows their ignorance of Sangh philosophy and history.
Q.: There are people who pit Ambedkar against Gandhi. How do you
A.: All great leaders might have differences. But all of them valued
society's welfare and nation's welfare. If we approach them in the same
spirit, we can find harmonizing elements in them and learn from them in
our own service to nation building. That has always been the approach of
Q.: In Tamil Nadu there has been a strong movement to wean away Dalits
from the national mainstream and Hindu culture. Does Sangh have any
programme to counter this?
A.: From the time of Meenakshipuram conversion, Sangh has paid special
attention to Dalit problems in Tamil Nadu. There are many villages where
untouchability has disappeared after Shakas appeared. In fact two
villages which have been awarded Tamil Nadu government award for
eradication of caste discrimination, are villages where Swayamsevaks
have brought social harmony. In places where Dalits and non-Dalits have
clashed Swayam Sevaks have been invited by both as peace makers. In
Kerala also Sangh has worked dynamically for Dalit emancipation for
example even at the famous Guruvayoor temple. Sangh has a clear vision
that at every village access to water resources, living space, places of
worship, hygienic conditions and cremation grounds should be common for
all Hindus. In fact the numerical strength of Sangh activity and the
disappearance of caste discrimination are directly proportional.
Q.: You have always stressed about Hindu-ness. Whom do you define as
Hindus? Are religious minorities Hindus or non-Hindus?
A.: All Indians who consider this land as their ancestral and sacred
land are Hindus irrespective of their ways of worship. All Indians who
follow the Dharmic values and Samskrti which this land has cherished are
Hindus. Those who have alienated themselves as religious minorities
should realize this truth for this is the truth about their own true
self-identity. They are not the descendants of Babur or David but they
are the descendants of Rama and Krishna and Bharatha. All those who
fulfill these three conditions together are Hindus in Rastreeya sense.
Q.: What is Sangh view on environmental problems and sustainable
development particularly in the light of threats like Global warming?
A.: Our the Dharmic values and Samskrti as well as our way of life are
always eco-friendly. We venerate nature. For us all nature is imbued
with Divinity. Cow protection has been part of it. An enlightened
environmental policy has to be scientific. For that we need models based
on experiments. Sangh and Sangh-related organizations are conducting
such experiments throughout India. Also we should remember that a nation
like Bharath has diverse eco-zones and we cannot have a single model and
the regional environmental models have to be based on localized
experiments. As I said there are many experiments like for example at
Chitrakoot and in many villages in Maharashtra, Karnataka and Kerala.
They will give us inputs to develop localized models for environmental
policies which in turn will help us develop frame an enlightened and
scientific policy for environmental problems and sustainable
Q.: With respect to science and spirituality India has an unique
position among world civilizations. What is Sangh view with respect to
science, Indian culture and world future?
A.: For Hindus Science and Spirituality are not opposed. They are two
sides of the same coin. Upanishad says that those who pursue only
physical sciences (without the knowledge of inner sciences) fall into
darkness. But those who pursue only inner sciences ignoring physical
sciences fall into even greater darkness. For those who seek only
liberation (Moksha) and not Artha (Economic welfare) and Kama (worldly
pleasures) perhaps inner sciences alone may suffice. But for those who
live in society, for them also Moksha is the goal but they also seek
Artha and gratify Kama and in doing this the regulating principle is
Dharma. This integral approach to life has made Hindu society approach
science and technology in a holistic manner. In fact Dharmic values and
Samskrti of Hindus never had problems with science (unlike the western
society). However this is the theory. This is the principle that we have
in our Sastras. The world will have to accept this approach to life. But
that will happen and that can happen only when we produce large number
of scientists who shall contribute to the improvement of welfare of
humanity. World will listen only to those who have strength. So Hindus
have to become strong if Mother Bharathi's voice has to be respected and
if Her vision has to be accepted by the world community. Working towards
that is the duty of every one of us.
Rajendra Kumar Chadha
National Joint Convener
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